Anyone who wants to take the "close friends only" Survey Monkey poll contact its creator.
What's a campaign's remedy when the facts (poll data) don't favor you?
Make your own!
GA caught wind of a Survey Monkey poll circulating on Facebook among "close friends" of the Giattino campaign.
Survey Monkey polls are 'people-powered'- anyone can create a Survey Monkey poll to circulate via social media, email, or amongst a selected pool of Facebook friends.
While professional campaign polling has no bias other than polling 'likely voters', the inherent bias of creating a poll and sending it to 'friends' needs no explanation. While professional campaign polling only allows 'one vote per person' all one needs to do to cheat an online poll is to open a new browser and/or clear your browser history (deleting your cookies.)
Online polls have been the fodder of merriment on this website in years past.
Take a look at the one done last September, before Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Murphy knocked off rivals NJ Mayor Steve Fulop and NJ Senate President Steven Sweeney. At the time, former Councilwman Beth Mason was spraying cash at the Sweeney campaign like a feral cat marking her territory. It was no secret that she was lobbying hard for a spot at Sweeney's side on his ticket. In an effort to manipulate public perception that she was more popular than she actually was, observers of this poll saw Mason's votes shoot up into triple-digit territory within hours, leaving the 'real' candidates in the dust!
Ha ha! Mason ended the poll at 51%. Yeah, right.
Internet polls are fun (GA confesses to playing with them), but essentially worthless. They are useful to manipulate public opinion for/against a candidate, an issue, a policy, you name it. Internet polls were often deployed by Mason-propagandist Hoboken411, like this one:
So, GA doesn't understand why a reformer's mayoral campaign would resort to a privately disseminated internet poll (Survey Monkey) unless it wanted to create fake news.
Ler's keep it real, people. Manipulation of public opinon is not going to keep City Hall in reform hands.
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What's a campaign's remedy when the facts (poll data) don't favor you?
Make your own!
GA caught wind of a Survey Monkey poll circulating on Facebook among "close friends" of the Giattino campaign.
Survey Monkey polls are 'people-powered'- anyone can create a Survey Monkey poll to circulate via social media, email, or amongst a selected pool of Facebook friends.
While professional campaign polling has no bias other than polling 'likely voters', the inherent bias of creating a poll and sending it to 'friends' needs no explanation. While professional campaign polling only allows 'one vote per person' all one needs to do to cheat an online poll is to open a new browser and/or clear your browser history (deleting your cookies.)
Online polls have been the fodder of merriment on this website in years past.
Take a look at the one done last September, before Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Murphy knocked off rivals NJ Mayor Steve Fulop and NJ Senate President Steven Sweeney. At the time, former Councilwman Beth Mason was spraying cash at the Sweeney campaign like a feral cat marking her territory. It was no secret that she was lobbying hard for a spot at Sweeney's side on his ticket. In an effort to manipulate public perception that she was more popular than she actually was, observers of this poll saw Mason's votes shoot up into triple-digit territory within hours, leaving the 'real' candidates in the dust!
Ha ha! Mason ended the poll at 51%. Yeah, right.
Internet polls are fun (GA confesses to playing with them), but essentially worthless. They are useful to manipulate public opinion for/against a candidate, an issue, a policy, you name it. Internet polls were often deployed by Mason-propagandist Hoboken411, like this one:
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| Hoboken411 Internet poll |
So, GA doesn't understand why a reformer's mayoral campaign would resort to a privately disseminated internet poll (Survey Monkey) unless it wanted to create fake news.
Ler's keep it real, people. Manipulation of public opinon is not going to keep City Hall in reform hands.
We all know polls can be skewed thus it would be wise to take all them wil a grain of salt.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the allegation this is any campaign directed Facebook poll is frankly a fiction or in this complete science fiction.
DeleteI've reached out to Franz about his personal poll - that he labels as such.
Was he even contacted before the phony allegations made here? Nope.
Zero effort to ask who if ANYONE was behind his little personal FB.
If GA "doesn't understand why a reformer's mayoral campaign would resort" to not doing something; it kinda pays not to make it up. MSV will report on this non-report and do so accurately.
Not this Hoboken411 false attack on a private citizen. Franz has every right to act as a private citizen and ask opinions on his Facebook page.
Sad, very very sad. Meltdown medication is really direly needed. SMH.
This isn't helping Ravi. He deserves better.
DeleteGrafix_AvengerJuly 23, 2017 at 1:31 PM
Go back to the Purple Pillow Press, a.k.a. Crazy Town. Maybe I should send out a "friend's only" Survey Monkey poll to see how many Hoboken residents find you are credible after months of posting Alt-Right conspiracy theories including Russia-collusion denial.
Look who's talking. You didn't contact Ravi even once with all the garbage you've been spewing, including the offer to Peter Cunningham. You make shit up more often than you change horse shoes. Franz is a limited public figure in the context of Hoboken politucs, unless you forgot his 2011 city council campaign. So cut the crap and go cry in your site that nobody reads.
now i remember why i haven't read MSV more than a few times since last fall's presidential election. i recall giving it a try again a few months ago, most of the posts were wacky infowars BS or things that he (literally) just lifted directly from this blog (except presented in a way that suggested a remedial writing course was in order). and the most recent comments were dated a day and more ago, a far cry from when people went there all the time for active discussion and posts would get 20-30 comments. can't imagine jen feels very comfortable with the public perception of that blog being her mouthpiece/cheerleader. who knows, maybe she is.
DeleteYawn, traffic is up and growing. Feel free to make up lies here coward. You don't have the guts to come to MSV and even try to make an argument. Because you can't you crybaby coward.
Deleteum, ok, thanks for proving my point, roman. you're unable to accept reality and facts, everyone can plainly see that you get about 80% fewer comments than you used to (most of them now are from the same four or five commenters) and i personally know a number of people who bailed on MSV around the time i did.
Deletebut hey, if you want to do your wackjob alt-right BS thing, that's cool, more power to you. i'm sure jen is proud of you.
give 'em enough rope...
Traffic is up. Way up and continues to grow so maybe you think you matter more than you do but I wish Grafix Avenger good luck always and to stay out of trouble and be fair to Hoboken residents and not make up a Mel Gibson Conspiracy Theory sequel. That's not cool. I'm about the facts and you can name call all you want but you don't have the balls to come to MSV and make hollow accusations. You wouldn't be able to get out with those lies without a full on butt kicking. I'll let you do it here where it's more fitting.
DeleteCelebrating the Bhalla campaign is your Constitutional right even if it puts Hoboken's contracts on an insider trading block but targeting and attacking Hoboken residents' personal Facebook page with zero evidence, sorry, that's just 100% plain wrong. Hoboken411ish conspiracy slinging is not pretty.
Now if you had any facts you'd read something about the Awan Bros., Fusion GPS and a whole lotta facts with actual evidence, reams of it. But Reason.com ain't the flavor of the day, but who cares? This election is about Hoboken finding the best candidate.
Sorry if that upsets you and a free and fair election where the citizens get to decide is an issue. Whatever.
i can't even figure out what you're talking about half the time...out of politeness, let's just say relevant analogies and wordsmithing aren't your strong points. if your traffic is growing so much, how come hardly anyone comments anymore? all i'm getting nowadays from you are a bunch of juvenile, pseudo-macho threats of verbal abuse which, again, i'm sure makes jen quite proud to have you as her lead mouthpiece/cheerleader.
DeleteNo, you can't figure out the English language, so what. For those that do: MSV has news with bonafide facts not made up conspiracy theories. There's plenty of comments right on the homepage of stories. Oh and yes, you don't have any balls to lie on MSV. Come on by coward. That's right, I called you a coward. Again.
DeleteRavi ain't proud of your efforts. He deserves better. There's an election, get over it.
Reality in Horseyland. Yes, some will not like reporting the facts.
Hoboken horse.com
right now, at 12:05 pm on July 24, 2017, the three most recent comment on your site are listed in the right column as being posted "2 days ago". then they got to "3 days ago". THOSE are facts.
DeleteUm, this debate is not particularly instructive. Roman, I am not "me". If you would like to see what I was up to while this inane squabbling was going on, I have a new post up. And, I don't care for the diss.
DeleteHmnn, I don't care for that dude either. But I wish him well. May he live long and prosper. Good to see you joining in on the ELEC news with Hudson County View and MSV. A good pitstop on the way to a November election.
DeleteUm. it's possible you joined me. I worked on it this weekend, and graphics take time.
Deleteha...i WISH i could be GA! ;)
Deletefacts are facts. i could total up and list the number of comments you've gotten per story over the past six months and again embarrass you with more facts about the low numbers, but then a) i would have to go to your site and b) i would have to care. i'm not and i don't.
you know what's really sad? we were side by side not long ago, standing up against a corrupting force in town. i was a john doe, and while i didn't have to spend as much as you did on defending yourself in the bajardi case, i was there in body, mind and spirit.
but hey, roman, if you need to get your schoolyard jollies by verbally abusing me (ooooh, he called me a coward!!), carry on. again, i'm sure jen appreciates the public perception of you serving as her mouthpiece/cheerleader.
You were a John Doe? Hey, our 5 year SLAPPiversary is on July 26!
Deleteha, OMG...happy SLAPPiversary, GA! i'd suggest we get the band back together and have a drink but i'm too cowardly to be in the same room with one of our macho co-defendants. alas, i'll have to drink alone.
DeleteYour "facts" don't mean squat "me" and yeah, you're a coward. Not that I or anyone else care. You don't cite any facts but you are quite adept at making up meaningless ones and stupid non-sequitur attacks about comments adding up to zilch.
DeleteThis Horse speaks for Hoboken farm animals. If the bullshit you peddle here makes you think we were united, that's erroneous. I don't associate with cowards; it's a general rule. So if you man up the courage to peddle your BS lies on MSV; I'll fully dismantle you there, intellectually speaking. You won't be the first or the last. It's what Warhorses do.
love how you try to come off as the steve bannon of hoboken politics, LOL! i'm sure jen appreciates all this keyboard warrior pseudo-macho posturing and aggression coming from her leading public mouthpiece/cheerleader. it's a great reflection on her and her campaign.
DeleteThere you go again with more self-created BS. I'm not trying to "come off" as anything; I'm the damn Hoboken Horse. I'm sure the Bhalla campaign will give you a cherry for your asinine lie after lie. Boy are you brave here, just not brave enough to actually formulate an argument on MSV where I'd give you a far bigger beating.
DeleteYou're a great reflection of deluded thinking, bad argumentation and phoniness through and through.
Hoboken has two mayoral candidates with very good council voting records. There's some differences to consider and then there's the issue of who will be the best executive for Hoboken as mayor and dedicate themselves as Mayor Zimmer to that office without using it as a springboard to elevate themselves into another office.
Do you feel lucky punk? Well, do you?
Then come to MSV and come get some you stinking little coward.
Because I would love it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xjr2hnOHiM
hehehe...can you say "projection"? you've lost the plot, girlfriend. i'm sure jen is proud.
Deletea comment for the ages: "I'M THE DAMN HOBOKEN HORSE!!!!!!!!!"
DeleteOkay, fellas- or fella and horse- aren't you getting tired? I am. I know the horse enjoyed taking shots at the Bhalla, and thanks for the intel. Have a good evening.
DeleteMy factual comment on actual missing ELEC reports appears censored. Is it because the factual mention of the phony allegation Jen Giattino should have had a filed ELEC report is not actually accurate nor true. No, not a technical violation by her or her campaign manager Tiffanie Fisher, the second ward councilwoman and Hoboken Democratic Chair. It's not slightly illegal, simply factually inaccurate.
DeleteWhy didn't Ravi Bhalla file his ELEC reports since last year?
MSV will try to obtain the factual details (whether this is deleted or not).
Consider yourself in a "time out". You have your own website that gets billions of page views to spew on. You've become unhinged some how, please leave. I am asking you nicely.
DeleteRe: Missing ELEC reports, Has Giattino for Council filed quarterly ELEC reports since the 2015 election? Probably the same answer as Ravi, and other Council members. Jen has not even filed a D-1 for mayor. Got an excuse?
Again, you have your own venue that gets tons of traffic, no need for you to throw shade on mine. It's not "censorship"- take your sense of entitlement to dump over here and GO. I am asking you to leave my house.
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Deletedamn kids get off my lawn!!!
DeleteYes and you support the bad analogy of the internet being a "home" or lawn as you say where a simple recitation of fact(s) must be stopped.
DeleteIt's trespassing. It's against the law. Are you going to call in the Gestapo now "me?"
I demand you be my judge in the Soviet show trial. Thank you so very much "me."
< shakes fist at clouds >
DeleteI can't believe this fucking idiot. "me"- please ignore.
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DeleteI saw that poll. Looks like a supporter is just curious. Someone that is not part of the campaign. Why is this blog suggesting that the Facebook friends poll has anything to do with Jen Giattion's Mayoral Campaign? Just curios.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I wrote- that the poll was circulated by close friends of the Giattino campaign. And the fact that you admit that got the poll along other "friends" only reinforces what I've written. (supporter) and Tiffanie are quite close, he campaigned aggresively for her in 2015- so its not 6 degrees of seperation from the campaign, it's 1 degree. None of which is a crime
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DeleteBut Nancy what your wrote is simply not true. The Facebook poll was a personal inquiry to friends - by one person. In fact he explicitly said exactly that. It was not circulated. It was not circulated on or off Facebook by any friends. It was not circulated by friends of the Giattino campaign. It was one person's Facebook poll of their friends.
DeleteIt only reinforces the fact that your story was made up. But we all knew that.
Yes, I'm actually discussing an issue related to your story although it's not a real Hoboken issue. It's a made up one.
None of which is a crime. Pointing out a simple fact however may lead to censorship. Are you going to censor this comment for merely pointing out the obvious?
Let's see.
You are completely full of shit- you "First Amendment" phony. You put me in a "time out" recently meaning my comments were AUTOMATICALLY DELETED. That's what YOU would call "censorship."
DeleteMy widget doesn't allow me to put you in a "time out" so I just have to ask you to respect my wishes.
You've told everyone ad nauseum how you feel about my post. I disagree. You've used your own site to let everyone know how you feel. My story was not "made up" you idiot. Franz put up an ONLINE mayoral poll "for hoboken residents" that he only sent to his "close friends" on Facebook- what kind of fucking poll is THAT? I know.... one to get the result that one gets when they send a poll to friends of the candidate. Franz just got busted. Hyperventilate about it until the cows come home. Nothing was "made up"- those are the FACTS, and my OPINION about the intent and purpose of the "personal poll" (NOT- Survey Monkey is the PUBLIC DOMAIN). Now, go fuck yourself.
Just STOP already. I feel like I'm being cyber-raped.
i can't imagine jen condones this type of thing, still find that hard to believe. perhaps it's being done without her knowledge or consent. if she supports this (and half of the fantasyland/borderline unintelligible "viva la resistance!" BS on that other blog in town), i'd be surprised and disappointed in her.
ReplyDeletejen has every right to run, if she wants. i have no problem with that, good for her. but at some point, if she doesn't step up and grab back control of the narrative, she'll have to own all this BS surrounding her run. we all watched mason and her delusional/egomaniacal crew self-sabotage her campaign(s), i can't imagine someone as smart as jen would think that way or let that happen to her campaign.
as her party's president would say, SAD!
cute
DeleteSorry to leave you hanging, me. I am not playing Indie's game. There is a reason she has been kicked off this site before. Her dripping condescension, rudeness and self-righteous pretension is best suited for Crazy Town.
Deleteha...no problem, GA. i haven't agreed 100% with everything she's said in the past, but pretty much usually felt at the end of the day that we were on the same good-government team. big tent and all that. kind of sad when people suddenly can't just have normal conversation on topics where they might differ. c'est la vie.
DeleteI have my own take.
ReplyDeleteI've long observed indie attempt to present herself as an independent-minded reformy type while aggressively pursuing her own interest. Now, she's widely known to be in the core group behind the Giattino campaign while continuing to purport to be a "concerned citizen."
DeleteIt's fine to be a strong supporter of a candidate and an advocate for their campaign. It's ok to keep your distance from any campaign and maintain credibility as an independent observer and concerned citizen.
It's not ok to do both. You have to pick a role and stick with it or lose all credibility. The last person who tried to play that game was Lane Bajardi, and it didn't end well for him.
I have not seen this internet poll. How do I find it? Agreed that Jen would not condone this behavior even from supporters. It's desperate and amateurish, feels like someone printing dollar bills with a printer or forging mom and dad's signature on their report card. Who would do something so goofy.
ReplyDeleteHaHa Something Burger; I'm getting a good chuckle out of your comment. I really love your logic. So, to use your analogy property owners that want to see taxes kept low are just 'reformy types' "aggressively pursuing their own interest"? Do you see anything wrong with that? I'm one that aggressive fights for affordability and against displacement; sure that's in my interest, but it's also in the interest of a clear majority of residents (including property owners in case you're confused about who is impacted by affordability.) Too bad it's been ignored for so long...
ReplyDeleteBut the thing that really made me chuckle about your comment is... I'm wondering why you believe someone can't be a concerned citizen AND a strong supporter of any particular candidate. (hint: you're the one that inserted "independent observer" into the discussion, not me.) Concerned citizens pay attention to what's going on in town and are likely to have opinions about candidates for elected office.
Oh, by the way, love the comparison to Lane Bajardi. Kind of remember that he was the one that was casting people that disagreed with him as the bad guy & slung words like MORON, nasty and ignorant at people (commenters) that disagreed with him. He also was a supporter in blocking commenters that disagreed with his view so that there was only a 1-way dialectic.
What is that they say about history repeating itself? Still chuckling over here. hehe-haha.
You are so dishonest. I didn't call you a MORON because of a disagreement, I called you a MORON because you snarkily attacked my statement that I have defended Jen (and Reform in genersl) since 2011. In fact, 2010. You come here to personally attack me and don't expect any response. Really.
Deletelol for someone who takes such pains to maintain a carefully curated persona of a pompous know-it-all who's so much more enlightened than all of us plebes because you have no life and have time to form a snotty opinion on every single detail of every single local issue, you sure do a nice job of pretending to obtusely misunderstand any criticism thrown your way.
DeleteBy "independent" I mean you're not really reform, you're always for sale to the highest bidder. Some of us remember when you had very different things to say about Giattino, as well as when you leveled nasty personal attacks on Peter Cunningham, his family and even his pets because you disagreed with his position on one of your little referendoohickees.
And look at you now!
Politics, strange bedfellows and all that.
Well hello somthingburger! I've gone from chuckling to downright knee slapping with your last comment. I particularly love the completely made up part about some imaginary attacks on Peter Cunningham & his family - here's a hint: try to have, at least, some slightest kernel of truth in the stuff you post.
DeleteSigh.
DeleteWell, I suppose you can always deny it, and of course I have no incontrovertible proof, but I point the court of public opinion to Exhibit A:
"Wow. Shocker. Vote no.
A few years ago, before Cunningham was in office, before he started the Hoboken Dog Assn solely to accumulate supporters, I was in a social setting with his wife, the realtor. She was complaining loudly about their tenant on the top floor that they were having trouble getting rid of. She described him as one of those types who know everything about rent control and they lived their forever and they just couldn't get rid the him even thought they needed more room for themselves. She said this with an infant in a stroller and those two ridiculous sized dogs. So that's what it's about for the Cunninghams - kick out their tenant (who they knew lived there when they bought the building) for more room for the dogs. BTW, the building they live in probably housed multiple families at one point. Welcome to the new Hoboken. It's a cold, heartless, elitist place where I got mine and if you don't have as much as me - well, you not really worth my time or energy, are you?
And Cunningham owns a rental building on 7th street. Self-serving creep."
http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2011/11/peter-cunningham-on-election-day.html
ouch. can't wait to see indie try to talk her way out of that one, LOL!
DeleteBased on the above post I am going to have to guess Peter's wife is definitely his match! Good for them finding each other.
DeleteSnoopy, it's unfair to cast aspersions on someone's family member based on an unverified, anonymous post.
DeleteI just said they're a match. I didn't cast aspersions unless you think I mean being like Peter is a negative.
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Such a shame that the conversations are so heated. Most everyone here wants what's best for hoboken. Sad to see this happening.
ReplyDeleteIf Romano wins I'll blame all of you ReformRats !!
ReplyDeleteLike MDF, Romano can't win but that he engages in the usual ways of the old guard, which allegedly includes buying votes, buying votes by mail and other illegal vote harvesting methods. Which is to say, using those tactics, they both stand a fair shot.
DeleteThe survey monkey poll is public not just for friends. Anybody can click on the link. I did.
ReplyDeletewww.surveymonkey.com/r/86HJSLZ
So how is talking about it inappropriate? And referring friends to a poll is a pretty obvious attempt to skew results of what was a meaningless exercise anyway since it lacks even a semblance of scientific rigor. You know - probability and statistics which are kinds of math. The thing Hoboken's next mayor needs to be really good at according to some who feel the current administration and Ravi are lacking in that important skill set.
Methinks a horse doth protest too much. Pretty strange behavior. Even for a farm animal.
Doth protest way too much. Hey, who wrote this?
Delete"There is no room for ambiguity here -- Franz is possibly the biggest phony this town has ever seen, and a complete and utter weasel who cannot be allowed to slime his way into office. It is imperative that his ambition to get onto our City Council be shut down before it ever gets off the ground."
Wasn't Franz known as the putz? I can't remember now. But I do know I don't trust him.
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ReplyDeleteYour comment was deleted because you outed commenters, in my case incorrectly. I am not "me".
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ReplyDeleteLet me spell it out to you. Unlike Roman's platform "Intense Debate" my comment widget doesn't allow the moderator to edit. So, I have asked you not to out screen names in your post- and have told you that I am not posting as "me". But instead of revising your own pist, you are wasting more of my time. I am deleting #3 because you keep violating the "no outing rule."
DeletePeople, since Indie can't comprehend a simple rule, I will repost for her.
INDIE's POST:
"Oh, I don’t have to talk my way at of that at all or can’t you read that the comment was made by someone named SteallaDarrish.
Now, I know that there are a lot of people that suggest that the Hoboken blogs are 5 people talking to themselves under different names and perhaps that’s true. I mean we have[REDACTED] . And then there’s Zomborgland on MSV who sounds a lot like [REDACTED], but that’s not me, I just use Indiecom.
If you click on the handle @StellaDarrish, you notice comments about the Hoboken Historic Museum, now when have I ever mentioned the Historic Museum?
By the way, I don’t even know what Peter Cunningham’s wife looks like and, as far as I know, I’ve never been in a social setting with her.
What’s interesting is that you’ve (somethingburger) posted the comment and attributed it to me without mentioning that it was posted by a commenter named StellaDarrish that you (are incorrectly) suggesting is indiecom.
Is that what Ravi’s surrogates on the blogs are like?
Very sad, very sad indeed."
GA note: Contrary to her statement that she had only posted as "Indie" Indie has posted here as [REDACTED] and [REDACTED].
Indie is not helping Giattino's campaign, but if Jen does win, will Indie continue to drone, rant and complain incoherently at council meetings, along with Waiters, Blanco, Ondrejka and Adams? Or will we finally get a break?
ReplyDeleteI've posted as Anonymous - just like everyone else. But when it comes to handles - I only have one.
ReplyDeleteReform, 2017. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkAAvDkj9k
ReplyDeleteaaa
ReplyDeleteAs a long time Hoboken resident, who avidly followed BOTH websites when Beth Mason was still in the game, and was very grateful for both websites, I am kind of shocked to see the warfare. After Mason was kicked out of town as it were, I stopped reading the websites Horse and GA, as that drama was finished. Saw that Mayor is stepping down, and came back to check out the sites. First I checked Horse, and was REALLY surprised to see it was an empty town. Then I check GA, and was really suprised to see all the graphics changed, and that she is to my eye being attacked. All I can say, is based on reading the exchanges above, I would vote for Bhallia, only because the representative for Giattino seems unhinged. AND as a Hoboken Resident, I will ALWAYS be grateful for BOTH sites and their authors, as BOTH were SO instrumental in changing the entire fabric of this town for the MUCH better. Does not seem like a possibility, BUT hopefully at some point,both authors can find a detente, and we can once again have an US thats is US, and a THEM, that is THEM.
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