Alert: LCOR planning to demolish Hoboken's historic Records Building

Hoboken's Records Buildings is designated on the National Register of Historic Places.




If Hoboken allows its historic architecture to be demolished at this pace (think Maxwell House and Wonder Bread factories), 10 years from now our city will look like Paramus.  It has come to GA's attention that LCOR plans to renege on it's reported promise to preserve and restore an irreplaceable piece of Hoboken history, on the Registry of National Historic Places, The Records Building- they are seeking to demolish it. 

GA learned of this matter from an email forwarded to me, with the above letter attached:

As many are already aware, Ann Holtzman’s office received a call from NJ Transit the early part of August asking what approvals they needed from the City to demolish the Records Building at the foot of Washington Street.  Members of the Hoboken Historic Preservation Commission and Administration immediately reached out to the NJ State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) asking for their assistance in addressing this threat.  They also reached out to various contacts at NJ Transit.  The NJ Transit re. Records Bldg letter above was sent as a formal response to NJ Transit’s inquiry.  NJ Transit did not respond to the City’s correspondence.  They did however proceed to submit a Section 106 inquiry and application to SHPO for approval to demolish the building.   

The Records Building is shown in the Railyards Redevelopment Plan as part of the rehabilitation area.  It is also mentioned in the text as a historic resource that LCOR agreed to preserve and restore for use as additional office space.  Rather than assume there is some sort of conspiracy here, it’s my impression that one hand doesn’t know what the other is doing, and NJ Transit just want the building gone because it is inconvenient to them.  The building has been so severely neglected over the past several years that it is in danger of structural failure.  As a result of NJ Transit’s demolition-by-neglect approach to this building, the cost of stabilizing and restoring it has risen dramatically.

On Tuesday evening, October 15th at the Multi-Service Center, there will be a public meeting with LCOR to review their proposed changes to the Redevelopment Plan.  New construction is clearly the focus of this meeting, but preservation of the Records Building was originally part of the agreed upon redevelopment plan, and while there are many amendments requested by LCOR, there has been no request from either LCOR or NJ Transit to remove the Records Building.  Anyone available to attend Tuesday is encourage to do so and raise questions about the Records Building.

Feel free to share this information with friends who care about preservation.  NJ Transit, LCOR and council members need to hear from the public on this matter.

The move to demolish the Records Building is entirely inconsistent with the intent of the current Amended Redevelopment Agreement.  But intent without specific language is unenforceable, and there is no language specifically prohibiting demolition of Hoboken's historic buildings in the  Amended Redevelopment Agreement. NONE.  If a developer is given sole "discretion" to choose whether or not to preserve one of Hoboken's historic treasures in lieu of big profits, what do you think will happen?   

The Hoboken City Council must not approve the current amended Redevelopment Agreement without language inserted that our historic architecture in the proposed redevelopment area will NOT BE DEMOLISHED.  

Further, LCOR should be asked to include the restoration of the records Building in either Phase 1 or Phase 2 of the proposed phase of the project as the adjacent proposed buildings which flank it to the east and west. 

The Redevelopment plan shows no work to the existing Records Building.


City must not allow demolition of our designated Historic Places in the LCOR redevelopment area.

Please spread the word. 

Comments

  1. It sounds like the inquiries about this began at pretty much exactly the same time that LCOR started peddling it's amendments to the redevelopment plan.

    Correlation is not always causation and odd suspicious looking yet innocent coincidences sometimes really do happen, but more often, if it walks, quacks and looks like a duck, it turns out to be a duck.

    The long and storied history of the proposed railyards project does not provide much basis for trusting LCOR or NJT's word without independent verification.

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    1. LCOR and NJT would build structures so tall that much of Hoboken would be in the shade most of the daylight hours. The should never be trusted nor should their supporters.

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  2. NJ Transit and LCOR as well their friends at Stronger Foundations PAC continue to CRAP on Hoboken. Together they will ride roughshod over the rail yards downtown. The other toxic to Hoboken pairing is NJ Transit and NY Waterway. Nobody tried thsi crap when Zimmer was Mayor.

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    1. Re: Zimmer, that's not exactly true. Recall the 780 foot tower proposed by LCOR that Zimmer beat back to LCOR's scaled-down development proposal in 2014, which is 3 times larger than the current proposal.

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    2. What on earth does NYWW and the UDD site have to do with this discussion. Bringing that up together with the idiotic "they would never have tried this stuff with Zimmer" nonsense exposes your not particularly well hidden agenda.

      Of course NJT and NYWW tried "this stuff" with Zimmer, which is why she deserves credit for how dealt with it when they tried to screw Hoboken.

      Mayor Bhalla should be judged by the same standard. Not by what is "tried" by others on his watch but on how he deals with it.

      On NYWW/UDD he IMHO deserves enormous credit for standing strong and saying NFW so bringing that up here in an attempt to undermine him is both transparent and stupid.

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    3. Well obviously you know a lot more than most, what a shame you aren't the Mayor!
      NumbersCruncher 2012!!!!

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  3. Oh maybe they'll offer us a Toll Brothers version of The Boat House at the Hoboken cove or even better the plywood painted Sybil's Cave entrance on Sinatra. I can just picture a faux records building to serve as the entry to a Starbucks or a "Arts Center"

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  4. The ghosted rendering shows the massive development in Jersey City just feet from the Light Rail Station and that will bring an equally massive increase in the volume of rush hour passengers funneling int the Hoboken PATH station. The already steady stream of Jersey City jitney's clogging Hoboken streets.

    This could be the last time Hoboken Administration and City Council has any possibility of saying to Jersey City to stop taking advantage of us and finally be a good neighour.

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    1. JC will build right up against us and collect all the tax revenue and we will STILL have our light and air blocked.
      Stronger Foundations expects their purchases in these cities to pay hefty dividends.

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    2. MDF is real close to Fulop so he and his Council crew will do zip.

      MDF who had a lousy record of showing up to do his job on the Hoboken Zoning Board made sure he was at the Jersey City Zoning Board to voice his support for the 13 story building on Harrison Street.

      Fulop will likely again quietly send his political ops into Hoboken to bolster MDF re- election play next month against Pagan-Milano.

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  5. Team butt-hurt is treating this as a battle against Bhalla. It’s in every scripted message.

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    1. Team butt-hurt is a clear homophobic comment. Commentor should be blocked and moderator should condemn.

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    2. Anon @4:19: No, it is not "homophobic"- it's MAINSTREAM slang in the dictionary. It has NOTHING to do with a particular sex act enjoyed by STRAIGHTS, too. You've clearly got a dirty mind.

      https://www.dictionary.com/browse/butthurt
      Butthurt definition, mental distress or irritation caused by an overreaction to a perceived personal slight, a bad outcome, etc

      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/butthurt
      butthurt (uncountable) (slang, derogatory) Upset caused by a perceived insult or injustice. He's just full of butthurt because he wasn't allowed to join the society.

      https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/butthurt
      Butthurt is an online slang term used to describe a strongly negative or overemotional response. It is used to draw attention to a person who shows signs of being irritated due to a perceived insult, an unfavorable situation, or a lack of decent communication.

      Anon, please don't pull that #fakeass #snowflake bullshit over here again.

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    3. Or was 4:19 illustrating his/her gift for irony by acting butt-hurt

      noun: butt-hurt
      an excessive or unjustifiable feeling of personal offense or resentment.
      "it's time to get over the butthurt from last year's playoffs"

      Substitute “election” for “playoffs.”

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    4. Dear asshole. Homophobia is real, devastating and on the rise. Everyone time someone like you, an asshole as mentioned previously, invokes homophobia merely to inhibit or forestall speech which you don't like, you actually make it worse. You make the average observer more comfortable with dismissing charges of homophobia as being politically motivated or otherwise in service to some underhanded purpose. So if you actually care about homophobia even a tiny bit, then shut the fuck up pretending to see it when you know you don't. Asshole.

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    5. Dang (and everybody), It's troll season. Happens every election. Folks who want to comment should grab a Google ID. I'll leave commenting open for now. Thanks.

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    6. Since you deleted all my comments last night, yet allowed this commentor to reply to my deleted comments, I'm back!!

      As I wrote in my deleted comment, if someone at work told me I was butthurt over losing an assignment, I'd report them to HR. Your commentor can make homophobic remarks on your blog and you endorse it while deleting mine. I'd like to see him make his Team Butt-Hurt comment directly to the people he's insulting during a public meeting, broadcast live and recorded. I have a strong feeling this commentor would never do that because his homophobia would be on public display.

      FYI: I'm not a troll, I'm a proud, gay Hoboken resident. Honestly, I could care less about Hobo politics or your pathetic and clearly one-sided blog. But, when you allow people to make homophobic comments and then stand beside them, just cause you dislike the person who's being criticized, is shameful.

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    7. They were not your comments, Troll.

      The comments I deleted came in from a 2nd mobile device, a 2nd ISP, a 2nd IP, and different STATES.

      In other words, you are a bullshitting half of a Troll TAG TEAM. So peddle your insipid political operative clap-trap elsewhere. Of course, if you are WHO you claim, feel free to contact me at grafixavenger666@gmail.com. And tell your other half to contact me as well. I would be happy to discuss your issues with BOTH of you.

      Folks who use homophobia as a political tool are the lowest of the low. That means YOU.

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    8. Those comments were mine that you deleted. So, I followed your comment and created a Google account (see above).

      But if your standard of so-called journalism is "urban slang" it speaks volumes about you.

      BTW: the origin of Butthurt according to dictionary.com is from 1995_2000, about spanking children. That's definitely the journalism standard that you should be proud of.

      And, calling a gay person #snowflake is also demeaning and borderline homophobic when meant to attack a gay person.

      I'm one person and not married or partnered. There is no tag team, but why should I expect you to publish facts. My bad.

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    9. Troll: creating a Google profile does not change your mobile device, ISP, IP or STATE you come in from. Your digital fingerprints are your digital fingerprints.

      Enough: if you are who you say you are, then contact me offline. But, you won't because you are a TROLL. You have been on this site all morning. A person with an actual job would not be allowed to do so, so trolling IS your job. We are done here.

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    10. See you deleted my comments again. Nice. Keep proving my point.

      I did write to you offline, but I'm sure you will never mention that you were wrong.

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    11. Lying TROLL.

      An email came in from "TruthHurtsHoboken" from "truthhurtshoboken@gmail.com" -- a pseudonym, attached to a lot of B.S.

      I have replied with a request for your name and other information which I will not share, and we can talk offline. Now, go away.

      One more thing: I do not delete Troll posts. They are saved in a folder.

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    12. Unkown - register a name already or STFU.

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    13. “Unknown”? You mean the screen name “asshole” was already taken? Bad luck! Such a good fit too.

      Just catching up - the butt-hurt complaint about butt-hurt seems to have morphed from a “homophobic” slur for which I should be banned and condemned… to a reference to spanking children?

      So you made up the homophobic part? Not planning to apologize for that no doubt. Instead switching to snowflake as the locus of homophobia now?

      You should really reach out to whoever got the screen name “asshole”. I’m sure they’d see you have a better case for it. What about “The Unknown Asshole”? That’s got a bit of flair to it.

      But yes, I can definitely see you charging off to HR to report someone. I’m sure you’ve worn out the carpet to HR by now.

      Your HR rep may suggest you google the term that so offends you. So let’s try that. Here’s the first three.

      Dictionary.com. That’s where you found something totally unrelated to homophobia. But you were already committed to being offended by then so you went with it.

      Urban dictionary. They can get pretty bawdy. But no help for you, Mr A.

      Wiktionary? Hey, it was worth a try.

      So, let’s be generous and assume you are attached to an obscure/little used definition. If you were a person of any awareness, you’d say, “hey, whether you realize it or not, that term has a potentially offensive meaning.” And then you’d come up with something better than spanking a child to explain your repeated and unsubstantiated charges of homophobia.

      But that wouldn’t work for you because you – and I think we went over this before – are an asshole. You want consequences. You want me blocked and condemned. You want to run to HR and get someone fired.

      About that. You’re not in your office now, so there’s no HR to run to. Then again, maybe you are in your office.

      Let me be honest for you, because it’s clearly not something you’re very practiced at.

      You’re not here because you share any of the viewpoints expressed – which is fine.

      You certainly aren’t here on a quest to root out homophobia wherever it’s found. Because by your own reckoning you haven’t found any.

      You’re an op. And you’d like us to shut up because contrary speech scares you. You don't know how to stop it, and this is the best you could come up with. Which makes you a shitty op. In addition to an asshole.

      Now, run along, shitty op who’s also an asshole. Try again tomorrow.

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    14. If you are on a continuous search to be offended, you will always find what you are looking for.

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    15. If anyone would like to address the no-name Troll, you can contact him/her at:
      truthhursthoboken@gmail.com. We are done here. Thank you.

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