UPDATE: NOTE to Frick-'n-Frack: Subcommittee meetings are NOT noticed



UPDATE: GOVERNING BY PERCEPTION (NOT LAW)
We live in Kafka-esque times.

From Washington D.C.to Hoboken, elected officials use social media to pump disinformation into our hearts and minds. Facts are loose, amorphous things. What is real and true no longer matters, officials create alternative facts for us to digest. Such disinformation often panders to our worst instincts; you can't trust your government, they are incompetent,  they don't follow the law, they "don't notice meetings properly."

That's how propagandists (and autocrats like Trump) create an alternate reality where they are "truth tellers" and the rest is fake news; perception replaces fact.

Thanks to FAP (Forde),  he was able to extract a stunning admission from Councilwoman Tiffanie Fisher.  In a Facebook exchange, she explains why she [followed by Jen Giattino] put out a comment in the public domain that the Public Safety subcommittee meeting was "noticed improperly." 


You follow? The reason why she put out misinformation to the public was political self-interest.  

"...So all residents of Hoboken [were] invited except 5" wrote the 2nd Ward Councilwoman.

Yes, those are the rules. And she is not a "resident" she is a legislator. 

Rather than putting the truth out in the public domain- that a subcommittee committee meeting is limited to 4 councilpersons (generally the 3-member committee and the Council Pres),  Fisher and Giattino put out disinformation, and of a derogatory nature.  They put out alternative facts that the subcommittee meeting somehow excluded them by error or  omission.

The Fisher/Giattino comments mislead the public to believe that subcommittee meetings are noticed, contrary to law. 

That is the definition of propaganda. From misleading the public about "one petition" when there were two, to  being excluded from a subcommittee meeting because it was "noticed improperly."
prop·a·gan·da
ˌpräpəˈɡandə 
noun
1.derogatory information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. 
synonyms: information, promotion, advertising, publicity, spin;  
Folks, all of us need to pay very close attention  

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Last night, David Mello's live feed from the City Council's Public Safety Subcommittee meeting popped up on my Facebook page, someone had shared it.  

Below Mello's feed, Council's Frick an'Frack (Tiffanie Fisher and Jen Giattino) each left a comment that the meeting had "not been properly noticed"-- why they could not attend. 

Were Frick an' Frack being truthful that the meeting wasn't properly noticed?  

GA has spent this morning trying to get answers on that question, and more generally on what the noticing requirements are for Council subcommittee meetings.

Folks, if you didn't know those answers, you are about to learn something.

You will also learn that Jen Giattino, with 6 years of Council  experience, and Tiffanie Fisher, with 2 years of Council experience, are lying to you like a pair of Persian rugs. 

GA's source is a municipal law practitioner in the state of New Jersey.  I asked her point-blank: is there a noticing requirement for City Council Subcommittee meetings? 

"Official notice (48 hours in advance and published in the newspaper of record, etc.) only applies to meetings of the public body where action may be taken.  Action can only be taken when there is a Quorum of the body. In the case of the Council, there would need to be at least 5 council people present for action. Subcommittees are designed to be working groups that present findings to the full council. No action is taken by subcommittees.If a fifth member of the Council showed up at the meeting last night, it would have to be adjourned because it would be in violation of the Open Public Meetings Act." 

Is that clear, enough, people?

Giattino and Fisher mislead the public to believe that Jim Doyle, Chair of the Public Safety Committee, violated the Sunshine Law by "not properly noticing" a subcommittee meeting that they both know is not subject to a noticing requirement.  

First the imaginary petition, then the phony lament: "the meeting wasn't noticed properly..."

The garbage is piling up.  

Comments

  1. So if I am understanding this:
    The subcommittee held a meeting. They invited members of the public. Because of sunshine laws, no one from the council other than subcommittee members could attend the meeting. The members of the subcommittee will make a full report to the council. Sounds like a win to me.

    Meanwhile, those two harpies are carrying on because they can't go to the subcommittee meeting while the rest of the public can? Ok well, welcome to being a council member. FYI, they get to go to closed meetings. So, they're still more special than the public.

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    1. Right! It's not bad enough that Frick-n-Frack took all the plum committee chairs themselves and stuck Jim on Public Safety AND kicked him off the Planning Board, but now these shrews are whining that they couldn't go to Jim's subcommittee meeting because it wasn't properly noticed (when they KNOW subcommittee meetings are NOT noticed).

      They must think the public is DUMB.

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    2. well I would argue anyone who voted for jen is a real idiot so some of the public is dumb

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  2. GA - you don't understand since you are not good at basic resistance math. The mathematical formula Lie + Lie = Truth is at the core of the movement's philosophy. The two Councilwomen arranged to tell the same lie so that, by the operation of the formula, it would become the truth.

    Similarly, by operation of the formula, Councilwoman Giattino was not lying about the runoff petition, since the formula applies both to a single lie told by two people as s well as to two lies told by the same person in the same prepared remarks. Councilwoman Giattino told two lies about the runoff vote in 2012 - that she herself opposed eliminating the runoff in 2012 and that there was only one petition for the two ballot questions. So you see, once again, by operation of the basic Resistance mathematical formula Lie + Lie = Truth, Councilwoman Giattino spoke the truth.

    Now that I've educated you about the math, I'm sure you will agree that a prompt apology to the two councilwomen is in order!

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  3. Lying is the new Telling The Truth.

    Is it our fault you can’t keep up with trends?

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  4. The odd thing is today on Facebook Councilwoman Fisher said the idea of having a special meeting was considered but they, presumably herself included, agreed to keep it a subcommittee meeting so that the meeting would not be delayed.

    You can read the entire interaction for yourself.

    https://www.facebook.com/TiffanieForHoboken2nd/posts/1975275339401319

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    1. She really is a twit. So now she is complaining about something she and the rest of the sellouts signed off on. SMH

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    3. some hallmarks of a poor leader: someone who makes ill-advised remarks and then doesn't recognize when to stop digging a deeper hole. we saw it numerous times during the campaign when tiff would continually thrust herself into the spotlight by speaking for jen, proceed to say something illogical or just outright incorrect, and then perform a seemingly endless series of verbal somersaults trying to explain and justify her original premise. "many people" believe this behavior played a not-insignificant role in jen's fourth place finish.

      the 2nd ward deserves better.

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