GA largely agrees with MSV's zomborgland on the formation of three tickets in next November's municipal election.
The only difference is that GA sees a post-Beth Mason era. The Russos have denied Mason even an honorary slot on Hoboken's Democratic Committee; if Peter Biancamano wants to run, Mason will be denied a place on Raia's ticket.
Beth Mason is an outcast in Hoboken politics, a status unlikely to change as enemies in Jersey City consolidate political power in Northern New Jersey on their journey to Trenton. The implosion of the SLAPP suit, (on track for historic fees/sanctions in NJ) which email evidence proves was aided and abetted by her closest aid, James Barracato, will have consequences for all involved.
Then, there is the pending trial for Mason's claims of "harassment" against a horse. GA does not see this as going anywhere but far south for the alleged 'victim.'
So, GA excludes Mason from Ticket C. For now.
Ticket A:
1st Ward Terry Castellano
2nd Bonnie Murray
3rd Michael Russo
4th Ruben Ramos
5th Eduardo Gonzales
6th Carmelo Garcia
Ticket B:
1st Ward: Michael DeFusco
2nd Tiffanie Fisher
3rd X
4th Dana Wefer
5th Peter Cunningham
6th Jennifer Giattino
Ticket C:
1st Ward: X
2nd Peter Biancamano
3rd Frank Raia
4th Tim Occhipinti
5th X
6th X
So far, no Reform giant-slayer for the 3rd Ward but a challenge from Frank Raia. Go, Frank!
Interesting possible First Ward candidate on the Reform Ticket- Mike DeFusco. GA knows Mike; I served on the ZBA with him for 2 years.
Well folks, to be continued....
Wow, Zimmer can't complete a ticket? 7 years and the net gain is Jen Giatinno.
ReplyDeleteLove her, too bad Zimmer can't get any progressive folks in third ward and what's with the Cammarano \Ramos guy in the 1st?
Maybe he's good, maybe not?
After all, Her last Chief of Staff and half her team are former Masonites....
Beth Mason is like a hot stove, you touch it once and you know better then to do that again.
DeleteIf I remember right Greg Lincoln joined the 3rd Ward race late and did much better then people expected on Tony and Michele's turf. Things have changed since then and they have not been in the Russo's favor.
If Frank Raia runs in the 3rd against Mike Russo it might be a good strategic move to not run a reform candidate and split the vote.
Thats dumb, Russos and Rais are two sides of the same coin. You honestly think Zimmer is going to have it easier with Poopie?
DeleteHe's the redeveloper that got acres of land handed to him by Russo in the 90's and Michelle got the real estate deals. Russo vs Raia they are enemies. Either vs good Government, they are good government's enemy
I don't think it is dumb. Ending the Russo's is worth the gamble.
DeleteDead on target 4:43. As you can see everyone but one troll wants the Russo crime spree put into the history books.
DeleteWe want them gone today. Tomorrow, just as good.
www.russocorruption.com
DeleteIf Zomborgland says it , it has to be true, we all know who he hears talking in their sleep ...
ReplyDeleteIt's a smart-ass convention!
ReplyDeleteYeah you are getting the brunt of it and somehow from 2009 to present has morphed into seven years. You've become the outing convention here by the people who knew who blathered their leaking.
DeleteWho knew the calendar would change and a finkfest would erupt?
She is in her 7th year now moron, this doesn't even include the cameraman acting mayor period or the extra 6 months....
DeleteNot only can't you read, you can't count on a calendar. The mayor was elected in November 2009. Even adding a few months doesn't make it her seventh year.
DeleteYou'll be pissing your little heart in November too. Go somewhere else to help your old running mate Ruben buddy.
someone is drinking at lunchtime again.
DeleteMore like an asshole convention.
ReplyDeleteMore like the anti- hypocrite convention.
DeleteIf this is Zimmer's ticket she is worse the alleged
Also heard Raia is running Tim, and then having Tim withdraw after they get the VBM applications with enough to switch the support to Wefer.
It's little asshole Monday. Now he wants to dirty up Dana Wefer who is doing outstanding work in the HHA but won't be running there at all. If Timbo doesn't run, his VBMs go in the garbage.
DeleteRuben will have full reign not only to fight for VBMs, he'll nail all of them down with his safari crew.
That's what 11:35 is hoping for and trying to dirty up others and the truth. We're not fooled.
Are we really rooting for VBM harvester Frank Raia?
ReplyDeleteAnd Zimmer supporting the Cammarano guy who until recently was going to run with Ramos?
If this is reform, what is old guard?
No, we're rooting for the far lesser of the two evils if it's Russo vs. Pupie.
DeleteIt's a little early for this isn't it? Your pal Ruben hasn't announced yet.
You should have told him that two weeks ago when you met him in Union City with Dave Roberts
DeleteWill you announce your 2017 council slate with your former running mate Ruben when you run for mayor douchy? Please do it asap.
DeleteHow's that Exploratory committee with Davey Roberts chairing going for ya?
DeleteAbout as pleasant as a colonoscopy ?
No, Anon 11:32 AM, "we are not rooting for VBM harvester Raia."
Delete"We" are rooting for as many OG to split the vote in each and every ward, including the 3rd. "We" love an OG free-for-all.
Got it? Or do you need it spelled out for you?
Mike DeFusco has to either
ReplyDelete1) Steal away Terry's built in Marineview and Columbian Towers vote
or
2) Get out the vote from residents that don't live in Marineview or Columbian
Wonder why Zomborggy thinks he has a reformer in his 1st ward choice?
Deletehttp://www.hobokenhorse.com/2011/01/zoning-council-chair-and-managing.html
Reform STALWART "Hobbs" had this to say just a few years ago: " · 234 weeks ago
We should keep an eye on Michael DeFusco and his every vote, being that close to Occhipinti's campaign handlers he brings to mind Peter Cammarano's dreams of selling zonning and the Russo family legacy of taking bribes from developers.
When you sleep with dogs yo wake up with fleas. "
If Mike DeFusco runs against Terry Castellano he has to peel off some votes in Marine View and get out the vote in the other areas.
DeleteHe doesn't have any vote issues and he'll likely have some ideas for the first ward and Hoboken worth examining.
Should he get the endorsement of Mayor Zimmer, he may be able to pull this off.
Getting rid of Castellano and ending that part of the Russo family would be enough for me.
DeleteDisagree. Mason isn't an outcast in Hoboken politics, in fact her money would be very welcome in Ramos and Garcia campaigns. It's simply that Mason has offended Steve Fulop and Russo, Romano, Ramos, and Garcia fear Fulop more than they want Mason's money.
ReplyDeleteWhy would they fear a jersey city mayor?
DeleteBeth Mason pissed off Fulop and his people by dumping tens of thousands of Betty Bucks on Healy's ticket.
DeleteCome election time it wouldn't be unheard of if some people crossed the boarder to return the favor.
Add that Mason has crawled up Sweeny's butt looking for job.
DeleteI don't disagree with you, Anon @ 11:57. In fact, I know that to be true- at least for the Russos and Romano.
DeleteAnon @ 12:23- adding to Anons 4:06 and 4:12, Beth Mason dispatched her political operative James Barracato to smear Fulop's chief political strategist, Tommy Bertoli, shortly before the Jersey City election. Barracato was shopping thumb drives with old smears on Bertoli to members of the media. No one cared, and apparently Bertoli caught wind of it. Mind you, he had mentored Barracato, and word has it, got him his alleged "$150K cash off the books" gig with Mason.
So, add that stab-in-the-back to the grudge pile. That is not a group I would care to piss off.
Looks like a lot of trolls stirring up trouble today.
ReplyDeleteAlways a good time to see them out and about, must be election season. GA I hope you are still basking in the satisfaction of a complete legal smackdown on the crazies.
Please share some more emails when you have time If you are taking requests, maybe a few where the crazies bash their fearless leader Mason
Troll? Usually independent thinkers aren't "trolls"
DeletePeople can't ever object? It's Saint Ann's week, Not Saint Dawn's...
Saint Ann's Feast when Hoboken remembers that Peter Cammarano was bar tending the night before the FBI slapped him handcuffs.
DeleteThe best night for all of reform! Shaking Martinis like a boss at night and removed with his pants down at 6am.
DeleteThe St Anne's Feast is Christmas in July for all of reformers.
It was one hell of an eye opener that morning the streets far and wide were cheering and roaring with excitement!
Justice served for all of Hoboken
It seems as Christmas came early once again for Roman and GA and all who believe in the freedom of speech.
Merry Christmas everyone.
things that make you go Zmmmmmm....
ReplyDeleteDear Editor:
I would like to congratulate the 4th Ward’s newly elected councilman, Tim Occhipinti, for running a positive and issue-based campaign. Despite unwarranted attacks from his opponent, Tim stuck to the issues and the voters responded for change. Having known Tim for a number of years, I can affirm that the residents of the 4th Ward elected a good man whose integrity is rock solid, whose ideas are pragmatic and whose optimism is infectious. The 4th Ward desperately needed a dedicated representative, not a politician, to address a number of issues, and they’ve now found that in their new councilman.
Now, the time has come for City Council to get to work and, more importantly, work together to benefit our city. I believe that Councilman Occhipinti will be a strong voice for his constituents and bring a sense of reason to the council. To that end, I encourage the council members to work with their new colleague to pass legislation, not point fingers. I would hate to see politics get in the way of progress.
Michael DeFusco
Zit Lookz zike zomeone didn'tz dooz tooz goodz za jobz zat vettinz Zimmerz 1zt wardz choicez
DeleteHow could anyone refer to VBM king Pupie Raia as the lessor of two evils? What is the reason for suggesting such a thing? What gives him the edge in that head-to-head? If reform is conceding the 1st & the 3rd - why don't they just man-up and admit it? I've heard of strange bedfellows, but I'm in complete disbelief. "Go Frank!" WHAT?!?! Yes, politics make strange bedfellows, but this is beyond the pale. How does reform plan on handling and blogging about all the election season VBM harvest if we're supposed to jump on the Go Frank train? This isn't about good governance, this is about solidifying power no matter the reputational cost (very Russo-esqe)!!!
ReplyDeleteHe's the lesser of two evils because he won't be trying to steal everything that isn't nailed down in Hoboken.
DeleteWhat about the Russo Crime Syndicate do you need educating? If Rais runs in the Third, I'm telling all my friends to vote for him and they will.
And what about election stealing do you need educating? Are you saying that reform is ok with bought elections? I'm gonna tell all my friends in the 3rd ward that Raia is the go-to person for election stealing. Sorry, never EVER gonna get behind someone that threatens the democratic process. Question is, is the so-call good governance, honest and transparent reform crew only against vote buying when the vote buying goes against them? Time to pull back the curtain and see what's really behind it.
DeleteYou sir or madam, are a shit-stirring troll with quite a track record here.
DeleteHere is what you are not understanding. I imagine most Hoboken people commenting here would rather not see Russo or Raia anywhere near the city council.
ReplyDeleteWhat is being said is that absent a decent candidate from Reform, then people would probably hold their nose and prefer Raia over Russo.
It's not that hard and it is not any sort of endorsement of Raia or his VBM practices
This post is directed to the troll
DeleteWrite in John Doe
DeleteI hear some of those John Does will becoming into more then a few bucks. :-)
DeleteWhy cant the zimmer team find a third choice? Nobody had issues with Greg Lincoln in the 3rd and in fact he did better that Zimmer's 1st and 4th ward choices. Even Greeny almost got into a run off despite the shit storm Mason dumped on him...
DeleteWho says she hasn't ?
DeleteYou seem to be soiling your pants trying to find out names. LOL
Greg put up a fight but he lost by what 2-1? That's not remotely comparable to the first ward or the fourth ward in 2011 if you discount the VBM/voter fraud.
DeleteYou make up lots of stuff 4:23. You should know better before you make things up (more) here.
Considering that Greg Lincoln's campaign was very low budget and consisted of basically having the courage standing up and calling out Mike Russo and his family on their past records that was pretty damn good.
DeleteIt also proved that many in the 3rd Ward were looking for an alliterative to the Russo family.
I heard Michele Russo got crazy that anyone dared stand up to them.
I also hear Castellano's son and campaign manager is worried that mommy could be out on her butt.
Even if both Russo and Castellano make it back without a majority on the council they will continue to be just peripheral noise.
In the 2013 election in the third ward, Ramos' slate received 917 votes (80vbm), Occhipinti received 440 votes (50 vbm), and Mayor Zimmer 884 votes (34 vbm). Admittedly a tenuous connection/reasoning, but if Ramos is a stand in for Russo, and Occhipinti for Raia, a good third candidate has a shot in a three way race in the 3rd if they pick up roughly 30 more voters than the Mayor. Essentially 1324 voters said no to a ramos/russo ticket in the third out of 2388 casting votes. .
DeleteFrank Raia ran a VBM campaign in the HHA to undo rent control and you folks are defending him? You make innuendos about Bowling alley development,and attack his friend running in the 4th yet you all kiss his butt when you see him in person or need a donation to a local cause or a temporary apt.... DeFusco was a Cammarano zoning guy...
ReplyDeleteSay what you want, Zomborg's prediction is more than a prediction its a back room deal
Get this through your thick skull. No one supports Frank Raia. Outside of a reformer running in the 3rd the Russos are the larger evil.
DeleteWhat part of that is so hard for you to grasp?
If someone is running on a ticket that's not a backroom deal, it's a open agreement.
DeleteWould I vote for Raia or Defusco, sure if the alternatives were worse.I wouldn't be happy but I'd do it. For the Record Russo and Castellano are worse.
Agree with 1:41. When people say getting rid of the Russo Crime Family is the better option, it's not an endorsement of anything wrong the alternative OG candidate may have done.
DeleteAnd I agree also with 1:49. I'd vote for Raia or Defusco and take my chances putting the stake in the heart of Hoboken's corruption crime family in a heartbeat.
Raia may not turn out to be so bad on the council and Defusco could add some professional perspective.
That's quite an upside, no matter how you slice it.
DeleteBINGO !
Is the Mayor even trying to recruit anyone?
DeleteFrom what I hear, Wefer is destined to win (which is awesome)
Giatteno is a Shoe-in and Cunningham should not have an issue, so why not try to get a a 1st ward and 3rd ward person FROM REFORM?
Seems certain at large council people have issues with Wefer, if the stoy about the last HHA meeting is to be believed, nobody should speak to a wonman that way esp an expecting mother....
Anon @ 4:16- it is still July and petitions are not due for another 5 weeks.
DeleteI did not post an 'in utero' photo by accident.
DeFusco was originally appointed to the ZB in 2011 two years after Cammy got arrested so calling him a "Cammarano zoning guy" is obviously a bit off.
DeleteI guess you could call him a "Russo zoning guy" since Russo voted for him for ZB but by that logic you'd have to call Tony Soares a "Russo sewerage guy" and that would be unfair.
It would certainly be interesting to hear more about his actual performance on the ZB but I doubt we'll get that info from our troll.
Bingo? Speaking of Bingo, The 1st two HHA slots Zimmer team was able to fill, the chose gusy like Hector Clavaria ( charged for attempting to sell HUD vouchers for cash) and the Other was Eduwardo Gonzalez who is now a bad guy
ReplyDeleteConsidering the list Zimmer has had on her dance card, Raia, Garcia, Branco, Clavaria.. Gonzalez its amazing anoyone on her team could be trusting her choices.
4:19 You seem very desperate to try find any issue to try to balance off the years of corruption people have associated with the Russo family for decades. It is not working.
ReplyDeleteIt is only reminding people of why they should vote Michael Castellano and Terry Castellano out of office. Thank you.
Carp carp carp, it's so damn tedious and obnoxious. Even the mayor's biggest adversaries in the county are exhausted with this one trick phony.
ReplyDeleteWhy is anyone calling someone a troll for questioning the surreal support for Raia that seems to be au courant? I'll happily watch Raia and Russo duke it out but Raia isn't the lesser of two evils. Has everyone forgotten his tenure on the school board? The VBM issue alone should end any debate about him as a better option than Russo. Do we need to see a repeat of the VBM spike in Occipinti's 1st election to remind everyone why Raia's no friend of reform and not the lesser of two evils?
ReplyDeleteBecause that is a troll with a record of trolling on this site. IMO the consensus is the more "evils" the merrier to duke it out. Don't see him identified here as a "friend of reform."
DeleteJust my opinion, I agree that Frank "Pupie" Raia is no reformer saint but is hands down would be better choice than Michael Russo.
DeleteRunning in the 3rd Ward wouldn't cost Raia a dime extra and he might enjoy it.
Frank's people and Ruben's people do not like each other, maybe more than they hate Zimmer
DeleteAnd the contradictions keep piling up. Everyone keeps repeating they want the Russo Crime Family gone. But the trolling insists that means an endorsement of Pupie's extravagance.
DeleteIt's not but we've yet to see this grand bargain in support of Russo.
Perhaps there's something we're missing. (We're not.)
Oh, the Russo family has never dealt in VBMs? What are you smoking crack or hash? Ma Russo was lusting to get her hands on the BoE budget re: a cash cow for how many years in a row.
DeleteUtterly stupid.
Russo and Raia are interchangeable. They both have reprehensible track records. While it might be nice that they'll both have to spend resources and money fighting each other during the election, we'll be in the same sorry state after the election that we're in now. We need a reformer to run in the third ward.
DeleteWith respect Mr. Bond, they are not interchangable. They do not have the same history of stealing as they don't have even the same history of holding key roles in City Hall.
DeleteThis is going to be a choice between a thieving family and an imperfect man. Not sure why all the hand wringing. Most people have sorted that out before commenting here.
I know it's hot and humid but do we really need to have this conversation in reform? Anyone who manipulates VBMs should never, ever hold elected office. End of story. It's not a choice between the lesser of two evils, it's the choice between two evils neither of whom are worthy of elected office IMHO.
ReplyDeleteWell it is too early to have this conversation as nobody knows yet if anyone else will run. Save the conversation for later and if nobody else runs, voters in the 3rd ward can have no decent choice from which to choose from and just sit the race out.
DeleteOh we're back to pretending the Russo Klan never manipulated VBMs. Please, stop already with this endless trolling and give it up already.
DeleteIt's not too early to have a discussion on the elections. If it's Raia vs Russo, I have no qualms with voting for Raia and putting a fork into the Russo's.
Sorry if that screws up anyone else's deals. I don't care.
Can we all just get along?
ReplyDeleteYou must be the change you wish to see in the world.
ReplyDeleteIf God wanted us to fly, He would have given us tickets.
ReplyDeleteIf pigs could fly we would all need bigger umbrella's.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of pig shit, I see that all the frantic posts looking to foolishly trying to stir up least one of the old guard pigs is worried about November.
They should be.
That's all folks !
Russo won by close to a 2-1 margin with video playing in the streets that showed him accepting a bribe on FBI surveillance cameras. I don't know how many calories reform should spend on it. That is still the beating heart of the OG's. If you want to blame Zimmer for it, suit yourself.
ReplyDeletePeople voicing objection to Old Guard candidates and allies is not trolling.
ReplyDeleteCritiquing the Mayor or her supporter's projections does not make you an angry developer.
The Mayor and her inner circle were once very much entertaining and suggesting to Kid's First that they desired a joint ticket with Carmelo Garcia and Peter Biancomono for Board of Education, seriously supporting Joe Branco for 6th Ward and appointed some seriously disappointing people to the HHA originally.
Thankfully the pushback from Kid's First and the Mayor reconsidering and recruiting Giatinno those candidates were never more than suggestions and ideas thrown in the trash heap. But to deny it happened is either foolish or intentionally misleading the public. One quote Belfiore is famous for is "Reform eats their own" In current reform it's a well recount fact that The Mayor and Her Husband do not want anyone from the past. Especially older reform organizers. It's funny here how the criticisms about appointments, body shapes, and childish innuendo reads more like a Lane Bajardi -Sara S. Email chain than reform.
The Mayor has made bad choices in the past and so have many reformers. It's okay. It's also okay that we as voters and stakeholders in our city hold their feet to the fire while also moving ahead. It used to be Reformers did things before being cosmically anointed and plucked from unfinished tenures on the HHA, The Planning Board or The Committee du jour .
People that fought for Rent Control, Waterfront Parks, Better Schools... Those folks faced less scrutiny when selected for office because people knew them from a track record, not a 2 -3 year stint on a board or two.
The talent pool is small so it's okay, but to attack anyone for simply voicing opposition to the Mayor's rumored "slate" or possible alternate "lesser of two evils" is nonsense. The Tent is big , unfortunately there's still way too much room in it because so many people are not allowed in or easily kicked out. If one reads the way Indie is treated on MSV for being rent control advocate you will see what I'm talking about. Ironically, Kid's First, Indie and a few others are the secret screen name supporters of Zimmer's punching bags even though those folks have been on the forefront of the issues the Mayor often supports. Rent Control has been Indie's thing for Decades, Kid's First formed long before Reform held City Hall.
Marsh and Healy saved 1600 Park from a 26 story tower....
To constantly dismiss those people is downright stupid
Wow. Now that you've spent 30 lines building your strawman that seems drawn directly (though admittedly more articulately) from the rantings of "Magnus" and his playmate screen names on MSV, perhaps you can explain why you are continuing to spam GA's site with your nonsense.
DeleteNobody is dismissing "those people" unless by "those people" you refer to yourself and your imaginary friends like "Magnus."
Anon July 10:00 am you make some great points and I think many of your observations are valid and should be taken to heart by people of all political stripes who support good government and inclusiveness. Where I respectfully disagree is on your angle that the problem lies entirely with the administration. I do not agree with the administration 100% of the time and would not want to be one of the online "yes people", but I do think any challenges people have with including everyone who wants to be included is that there is at least one individual who has a well known tendency to go ballistic when he doesn't get his way and then proceeds to attack people with personal vitriol that rivals or exceeds the Bajardi twins. Perhaps some of the nastiness comes back and cuts both ways, but the peskiest puzzle in keeping Hoboken reformers united has always been "how do you solve a problem like *******", and that hasn't changed one bit, unfortunately. When someone can figure that one out, I'd wager "can't we all just get along" will be a happy question for people to answer.
Deletehuh? that was my first post
DeleteYou guys are too much. Who hell is Magnus a cousin of Prosbus?
Looks like Anon at 11:04 has a lot of the same conspiracy theories as a certain prolific insider and control freak.
DeleteAgain with the innuendo and attempts to out and make a a boogieman out of people who left politics a long time ago. Must feel threatened ....
11:04's angry boogieman character sounds remarkably like the characters described Bajardi and Sara S.
DeleteYes, attack the one or two characters that for some reason stereotypically can be pegged with "angry" and run with it. 11:04 is the 2nd coming of Prosbus. Maybe 11:04's along with Prosbus and Zomborg kissed and made up ? Business lunches are a great place to make peace
What I don't get about this entire debate is the only people who have to choose between Raia and Russo are third ward residents. If they are unhappy with those two choices then perhaps one of them should run. The rest of us have no say in the matter and there is no use complaining until after the election. Third ward residents, step up to the plate already if you don't like your two choices.
ReplyDeleteThe rest of us live with the results. The Third , Fourth and First Wards are not islands. The council votes on all issues
DeleteEspecially Bonding! The Mayor needs SIX solid votes for bonding. BONDING WILL BE NEEDED IF SHE WANTS THE OMA FLOOD /RESILIENCY PLAN.
Lets look down the road beyond the election. $250 Million ( split between Jersey City, Hoboken and Weehawken ) is not enough to fund that massive Resilency plan never mind maintaining it perpetually . Russo being the SIXTH VOTE allows him to HORSE TRADE. LIKE THE HORES TRADING THE CITY IS DOING FOR HIM BY ALLOWING A DEVELOPER TO GET 600 APTs at 16 stories at 700 Monroe in exchange for RUSSO PARK at the Pino's site. Russo is a genius, he has Zimmer wrapped around his finger, git her to build a bigger park in his ward than her own and also satisfy developers. The Council is keeping this MASSIVE PLAN UNDER WRAPS UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER.
The council votes on all issues but only third ward residents can run for office in the third ward or vote in the third ward. So it really doesn't matter if we don't like the 2 guys running in the third so far b/c while we have to live w/ whomever wins, we have no say in the matter. Your complaining about those 2 is about as useful as complaining about who is running for Governor in PA.
DeleteThat's the dumbest post yet. If the 3rd ward doesn't matter than either does Mason in the 2nd. Keep trying desperado...
DeleteThere is a reformer running in the 2nd ward we can support dipshit. You don't like the fact no reformer is running in the 3rd, then get off your fat arse and run. Til then stuff a sock in it.
DeleteI have voted against Raia and Russo every chance I get. I voted for Mr. Lincoln. I have literally written in 'The Devil'. Maybe with both Raia and Russo in the race, it is the year to run a reformer. Let Russo and Raia to cut into each others votes.
ReplyDeleteWhy won't I run? Scared, intimidated by the responsibility and the depths that Russo's and Raia's supporters will go to to stop someone from running. Do you blame me?